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    The Foreign Affairs spokesman for the National Union for the Total Liberation of Angola (UNITA), Dr.

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    CU Sangumba answering questions

    WARD: "Are you buying guns in Europe?"

    SANGUMBA: "Well, we are not buying guns in Europe but any European country that is giving us army weapons are giving us indirectly. And by that I mean that they give to individual independent African states who are supporting UNITA then we get the weapons or any type of assistance through them."

    WARD: "Are you hoping, indirectly then, to increase you arms flow to Angola?"

    SANGUMBA: "Definitely. If the war's to continue and the Soviet Union will continue to put sufficient equipment like the Organs on Stalin, about forty rockets in a lorry, or if they put tanks .. T.54s or T.34s or if they put missiles SAM 7s or MIGS, definitely we have to match up on this type of challenge. And if Europeans or United States are able to give us weapons we would be very pleased."

    WARD: "What do you hope to achieve by meeting European government officials?"

    SANGUMBA: "Well, to see whether we can make pressure on the Soviet Union, to stop the war immediately and for the Soviet Union to withdraw all the Cuban forces who are, incidentally, over twenty thousand troops which represent almost ten percent of the entire Cuban army in Angola. And also stop the Soviet Union supplying sufficient equipment which is just aimed at killing Africans."

    WARD: "How do you view the apparent American climb down in the face of the massive Russian/Cuban intervention?"

    SANGUMBA: "Well, we expected that. America is suffering a tremendous amount of psychosis and trauma after Vietnam and there is the question of Watergate, there is the domestic politics, there is the presidential campaign, so it is normal for them to be reluctant to support the forces who are fighting against Soviet imperialism."

    WARD: "More important, how do you view the South African pull out?"

    SANGUMBA: "Well the South African pull out is not a surprise to us. We have always said at UNITA that we did not ask South Africa to come and fight for us. I said we don't need any one foreign (force) to fight for us. We think that the struggle is ours."

    WARD: "So how do you see the Angolan situation resolving itself in future?"

    SANGUMBA: "There is only a political solution to solve the problem."

    WARD" "What would you do if the MPLA won a total military victory?"

    SANGUMBA: "A total military victory is impossible, whether on the side of the MPLA or UNITA. They can win some temporary military victories. They can win some strategic places like Seles or Caixito. But remember in this war military victory is only temporary."

    WARD: "And finally if they tried a (indistinct) solution would UNITA be prepared to take a second or even third position is such a tri-partied government?"

    SANGUMBA: "Well, I don't know how UNITA can take a second or third position because we have to analyze what are going to be the conditions to sit down around a table. What is going to make UNITA a second or third place, but as for as UNITA is concerned we are able to pay any price for peace in Angola. If we are to win the last place for the sake of peace and stability in Angola we are ready but we in UNITA will never tolerate Soviet domination by sheer force of weapons, of our people."

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    This film is serviced with an interview with Dr. Sangumba by Visnews African Editor, William L. Ward. The interview is in English; a transcript follows:

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    Background: The Foreign Affairs spokesman for the National Union for the Total Liberation of Angola (UNITA), Dr. Jorge Sangumba, claims Britain and other European Common Market countries have not done enough to help UNITA in its struggle against its Soviet-backed rival liberation organisation, the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA).

    He made the statement in an interview with Visnews African Editor William L. Ward in London on Sunday (1 February).

    Dr. Sangumba also said several other African countries had been bribed with aid from the Soviet Union to support and recognise the MPLA.

    While in Europe Dr. Sangumba will meet heads of European governments but said he would not be attempting to purchase arms or hire mercenaries. However, he added that if arms came to UNITA from Europe or the United States of America via other African countries friendly to the UNITA cause, "we would be very pleases".

    Dr. Sangumba said he was not surprised by the apparent lack of support for his organisation from the Unites States of America as "the United States is suffering from psychosis and trauma after the defeat in Vietnam and besides there are the Presidential elections."
    He also said that the withdrawal of South African troops .. believed to have been fighting on the side of UNITA .. from Angola was expected as "UNITA had never asked for support from South African troops; we in UNITA do not need any foreign forces to fight for us".

    Dr. Sangumba said there could only be a political solution to the war in Angola "as all military victories are only temporary". He added that UNITA was prepared to take second or third position in any coalition government in Angola but "UNITA will not and cannot tolerate the Soviet domination of the Angolan people".

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