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    INTERVIEWER. Dato, how do you assess the situation along the border between Sabah and Indonesia?

    DATO MUSTAPHA. The situation along the border between Sabah and Indonesia is serious, very serious. The recent announcements from the border have confirmed what I have always thought to be the case, that the talk about cease-fire in the past month has really been on the part of the Indonesians to buy more time to build up their forces along our border. As a result, of course we are expecting more and bigger incursions along our borders, but we are prepared for them in the eventuality, we know where the enemy is and we hope if they come in any numbers we will be able to destroy them. We have been expecting more incursions, in fact during the so-called cease-fire that has taken place, we have had a number of incursions into our territory, small but a number of people were killed, and now of course our information is that there is a big build up on the other side and it is likely that before long we will be having to fight some fairly big battles along our borders. Now, Stephen. would you like to say something about the situation in Sarawak.

    NINGKAN. The situation in Sarawak is quite serious, because the Indonesians are building up their forces along the border in order to fight Sarawak, and there were several incursions in the last few weeks and just two days ago our patrol was ambushed by the Indonesians numbering about 50. They killed 3 or 4 of the patrol and wounded 2, and the enemy casualty was not known, but we understood some of them were killed and wounded, but the bodies are the other side of the border.

    INTERVIEWER. Mr Ningkan, how is the internal situation in Sarawak in relation to the clandestine Chinese organisation.

    NINGKAN. We foresaw the trouble with the C.C.O. They are very active, but they are confined to the urban areas like Kuching, but in our stations in the rural areas they are not very active because the natives are very anti-communist; and although there are not many it is one of our main worries in Sarawak because they can do a lot of harm in the country. But we hope we can be able to deal with them more effectively than before. The C.C.O. have filtered into a political party which I don't want to mention, I think most people know which particular party- they are trying their very best to get the native people to join them. They have tried to form some organisation and tried to infiltrate into the unions which is of course very dangerous. They are clever people but still I should say that Communists cannot be successful in Sarawak and Sabah because the people in Sarawak and Sabah, including the Chinese themselves are anti-communist.


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