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MV INTERIOR: Mr. Zbigniew Brzezinski speaking in English. (3 SHOTS)
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TRANSCRIPT: SEQ. 1: MR. BRZEZINSKI: "First of all , Mr. Munro, I can assure you that what the President said was right. The invasion of Katanga, or Shaba, from Angola could not have taken place without the full knowledge of the Angolan Government. It could not have taken place without the invading parties having been armed and trained by the Cubans and indeed perhaps, even the East Germans, and we have sufficient evidence to be quite confident in our conclusion that Cuba shares a political and moral responsibility for the invasion, and indeed even for the outrages were associated with it. If the Senate desires more information, I'm certain that we can provide it, and am confident that the judgement expressed by the President will stand up. I think there's a difference between direct involvement and responsibility.



Direct involvement would mean direct participation - direct participation in the fighting, in command and control, presence on the ground, and all of that. We are talking about responsibility - responsibility for something which should not have taken place, which is a violation of territorial integrity, which, in fact, is a belligerent act. We believe that evidence we have sustains the proposition, more than that, sustains the conclusion, that the Cuban Government and, in some measure, the Soviet Government, bear the responsibility for this transgression. And this is a serious matter. This is a matter which is not conducive to international stability, not to international accommodation."




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Background: President Carter's Chief Security Adviser, Mr. Zbigniew Brezezinski, has said that the Soviet Union and Cuba should not be allowed to escape responsibility for their involvement in Africa. Speaking on the National Broadcasting Company's television programme, "Meet the Press", last Sunday (28 May), Mr. Brzezinski accused the Soviet Union of trying to encircle and penetrate the Middle East, of stirring racial difficulties in Africa, and obtaining more direct military access to the Indian Ocean. There were a variety of ways in which concerned countries could convince the Soviets and Cubans that their involvement in Africa was not only conductive to greater international instability but carried consequences which might tell against them as well, Mr. Brzezinski said.