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    SEMI CU Ms Sakharov (talking to interviewer, commentary in English.) Well today is the 17th day of hunger strike for Sakharov. The last time they went on hunger strike in 1981, you might remember, they fasted for 17 days. He is apparently very week by now and we fear very much for his life, because the next few days can be decisive, they can be fatal in fact. As to my mother, she had suffered a massive heart attack a year ago, and since then two lesser or minor heart attacks. She is in a very dangerous condition according to the specialists, cardiologists in the west in the United States, France and Britain, she's in urgent need of medical help and possibly a heart by-pass surgery. I have here by the way, electric cardiograms which were made available to those cardiologists and judging on which they came to their conclusion. This is the one of the last of them if you want to take this and heart by-pass surgery by the way, is not available in the Soviet Union. The problem is not only this, but the fact that apparently the authorities have decided to do away with my mother as a solution to the Sakharov problem.
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    SEMI CU OF Cardiographs.
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    INTERVIEWER (speaking in Italian) with Ms Sakharov and interpreter. When is the last time you had news of your mother and Andrei Sakharov?
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    SEMI MV OF Interviewer and Shakharov.
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    SEMI CU Sakharov:-Last time was we knew something about them was when a friend of ours managed to see them it was on May 8 and after she reported their condition, we knew my father was on hunger strike and my mother, we believe, joined him on the 10th day of his hunger strike. He began his hunger strike on May 2 but the last time we had direct contact with my mother was on April 9, when she was in Moscow for the last time and afterwards, she had to go to Gorky and was not able to come back.
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    INTERVIEWER: What is the condition of the health of both of them now?

    MV Sakharov:-These cardiographs are from the outside world and this is why Sakharov decided to go on hunger strike to save her life. He said her death would be also his.
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    INTERVIEWER: Do you think there is any possibility of your mother coming to the west without Sakharov?

    SEMI MV OF Sakharov:-I don't want to give any estimates. I only want to make clear that if my mother is not allowed to go to the west for treatment, she will surely die and as I just said, her death will be the death of Sakharov too.

    INTERVIEWER:-What do you think of the report of the Italian papers today, that the Soviets have offered Sakharov in exchange for Moritoviov on the installation of missiles in Europe?
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    SAKHAROV:-We are convinced these are KGB inspired rumours.
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    INTERVIEWER:-What were the results of your meeting with President Bettino today?
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    SEMI MV Sakharov:-I cannot speak of any results so far, but we were extremely pleased and very moved by this meeting. He was very much concerned with the fate of our parents and we believe that he will do everything he possibly can to save our parents lives.
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    INTERVIEWER:-What do you think he can do?
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    SAKHAROV:-Well, we discussed with him the situation and the possible steps that can be taken to help them.
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    INTERVIEWER:-Are you expecting to see any other officials while you're in Rome?
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    SAKHAROV:-Well this is possible, yes.
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    INTERVIEWER:-What about the Pope?

    SAKHAROV:-It is possible, yes.
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    INTERVIEWER:-What do you think the possibility of your mother coming to the west without Sakahrov and do you think she will have any problem going back to Russia?
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    SAKHAROV:-Well first of all, let me say that she is not allowed to go therefore that will be the end of her and Sakharov said also, that if she dies that will be his death too, But, I believe that the Soviet authorities would not want to create the case of separated families by not letting her return to the Soviet Union, if they allowed her to go for treatment and there is no reason to believe that she would want to do so herself because she has been abroad three times for medical purposed and she has always come back.

    INTERVIEWER:-One more question, the friend of your parents in Moscow, who has visited them in Gorky, it is true that she has since been arrested by the KGB?
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    SAKHAROV:-Well we have no way unfortunately, to verify this but we believe strongly that this is true that she has been put under a sort of house arrest.
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