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    MR. WILSON WON GENEROUS APPLAUSE AND A STANDING OVATION FROM HUNDREDS OF AMERICAN AND FOREIGN?

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    1.
    CU WILSON SEATED IN STUDIO. SILENT SHOT.
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    CU INTERVIEWER, SOF STARTS.."MR. WILSON, AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY REPORTS ABOUT WHERE YOU STAND AND WHAT YOU THINK...



    SOF ENDS...YOUR ATTITUDE ON THE SOVIET UNION AND THE UNITED STATES?



    CU WILSON..SOF STARTS.."YES CERTAINLY, I AM NOT AWARE OF THE...



    SOF ENDS...WESTERN ALLIANCE."
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    3.
    CU WILSON. SILENT SHOT.
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    CU INTERVIEWER..SOF STARTS.."NOW HOW ABOUT THE ROLE GERMANY SHOULD PLAY...



    SOF ENDS..AND THAT OF THE ADMINISTRATION."
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    CU WILSON SOF STARTS... "WE SAID VERY PLAINLY...



    SOF ENDS... REALLY CONTEMPLATES THAT".
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    CU INTERVIEWER SOF STARTS..MR. WILSON, YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT A FINGER ON THE BUTTON...



    SOF ENDS...IS THIS REALISTIC?"



    CU WILSON..SOF STARTS..WHEN THERE IS TIME..



    ENDS..OF THE UNITED STATES."



    CU INTERVIEWER..SOF STARTS.."IN GIVING UP YOUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS...



    SOF ENDS..DUMP THE WARHEADS INTO THE SEA"



    CU WILSON..SOF STARTS.."WELL, WE WOULDN'T DUMP THE WARHEADS INTO THE SEA



    SOF ENDS..OF THE ALLIANCE."



    QUESTION.."MR. WILSON AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A FIXED POLICY...



    ENDS...IN TIME CERTAINLY?"



    CU WILSON.."TO ABANDON OUR SO-CALLED...



    SOF ENDS...SHALL WE SAY, A SOVIET PUSH"
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    TRANSCRIPT: SEQ 2: INTERVIEWER: "MR WILSON, AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY REPORTS ABOUT WHERE YOU STAND, AND WHAT YOU THINK, AND WHAT YOU DO BEFORE YOU CAME TO THIS COUNTRY NOW ONE OF THEM SAID THAT "YOU HAD A REPUTATION FOR BEING ANTI-AMERICAN SOMETIMES AND OFTEN PRO-SOVIET " WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CLEARER YOUR ATTITUDE ON THE SOVIET UNION AND THE UNITED STATES?".




    TRANSCRIPT: SEQ. 2: WILSON: "YES CERTAINLY. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THESE VIEWS. I HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN THE VIEW THAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES AS PARTNERS SHOULD BE FREE TO SPEAK VERY FRANKLY TO ONE ANOTHER: THAT BRITAIN NEEDS THE US, THAT THE US NEEDS BRITAIN. BUT SO FAR AS OUR FOREIGN AND DEFENSE POLICIES ARE CONCERNED, AS I HAVE SAID, THE WESTERN ALLIANCE IS THE CENTRE OF OUR POLICY. OF COURSE, WE WANT TO HAVE DIALOGUES WITH THE SOVIET UNION. OF COURSE, WE WANT FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE SETTLEMENTS OF BIG OUTSTANDING PROBLEMS LIKE DISARMAMENT AND BERLIN. BUT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE WESTERN ALLIANCE."



    TRANSCRIPT: SEQ. 4: INTERVIEWER: "NOW HOW ABOUT THE ROLE THAT GERMANY SHOULD PLAY IN NATO. I THINK THERE SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU POINT OF VIEW AND THAT OF THE ADMINISTRATION."



    TRANSCRIPT: SEQ. 5: WILSON: "WE HAVE SAID VERY PLAINLY THAT WE ARE AGAINST, FOR EXAMPLE, A EUROPEAN DETERRENT - THAT IS THE EUROPEAN DETERRENT WITHOUT AMERICA. IN WHICH WEST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WOULD BECOME A NUCLEAR POWER. WE ARE VERY MUCH AGAINST THAT BECAUSE WE THINK IT WOULD WEAKEN NATO: IT WOULD DISTRACT THEIR ATTENTION FROM THE WORK OF NATO. IT WOULD BE AN ALLIANCE WITHIN AN ALLIANCE WHICH IS WEAKENING. AND ALSO, OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE HIGHLY PROVOCATIVE TO THE SOVIET UNION AND MAKE IT HARDER TO GET REASONABLE AGREEMENTS, DEFENSIBLE AGREEMENTS WITH THE SOVIET UNION. WE ARE ALSO OPPOSED TO NOT ONLY GERMANY, BUT ANY OTHER COUNTRY, HAVING A FINGER ON THE BUTTON. WE THINK THE LOGIC OF THE DEFENSE SITUATION IS THAT THE US IS THE CUSTODIAN ON BEHALF OF THE WEST OF THE STRATEGIC DETERRENT AND WE WOULD BE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO GERMANY OR TO OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVING THE RIGHT TO INITIATE NUCLEAR ACTION AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE US - IF ANYONE REALLY CONTEMPLATES THAT."



    INTERVIEWER: "MR. MACNEILL."



    TRANSCRIPT: SEQ. 6: MACNEILL: "MR. WILSON, YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A FINGER ON THE BUTTON BUT YOU SEEM TO IMPLY AND YOU HAVE SAID YOU WANT GREATER CONSULTATION BETWEEN THE WESTERN ALLIES. DOES THIS MEAN THAT YOU WANT MORE SAY IN WHEN THE BUTTON IS PUSHED. IS THIS REALISTIC?"



    WILSON: "WHEN THERE IS TIME - AND THERE MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE TIME. ONE CAN IMAGINE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MINUTES IN WHICH A DECISION HAS TO BE TAKEN. THIS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE" CONSULTATION AS TO WHETHER THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SUCH AS TO JUSTIFY A DECISION OF THIS KIND. THAT, IN A SENSE, IS GIVING THE OTHER NATO ALLIES, INCLUDING BRITAIN, IF NOT A FINGER ON THE SAFETY CATCH, AT ANY RATE THE RIGHT TO BE CONSULTED AND THEIR VIEWS TO BE COLLECTED BEFORE THE ULTIMATE DECISION IS TAKEN BY THE PRESIDENT. THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING FROM SAYING THAT ANY OF THEM CAN INITIATE ACTION OR TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE UNITED STATES."



    MACNEILL: "IN GIVING UP YOU NUCLEAR WEAPONS, YOU'VE CALLED IN BRITAIN'S NUCLEAR POSTURING, WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO USE YOUR STOCKPILE AND YOUR CONSIDERABLE SOPHISTICATED KNOW-HOW TO BARGAIN WITH. FOR INSTANCE, TO BARGAIN YOU WAY INTO EUROPE OR WOULD YOU SIMPLY DUMP THE WARHEADS INTO THE SEA?"



    WILSON: "WELL, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T DUMP THE WARHEADS INTO THE SEA - OR THE V-BOMBERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT KIND. REMEMBER, WE CAN'T TAKE A DECISION UNTIL WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. IF WE BECOME THE GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE TO SEE MUCH MORE ABOUT THE DEFENSE SITUATION THAT PARLIAMENT HAS SO FAR BEEN TOLD. BUT OUR PRESENT THINKING IS THAT WE WOULD DO NOTHING TO MAINTAIN BY NEW ACTION, NEW ORDER, NEW WEAPONS THE BRITISH DETERRENT AND AS SOON MAYBE I THINK WE SHOULD WANT TO TRANSFER OUR NUCLEAR FORCE INTO NATO: IN RETURN PERHAPS FOR A GREATER SAY IN NATO'S TARGETING WORK AND OTHER IMPORTANT WORK OF NATO AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING QUITE EARLY ON. WE WOULD TRANSFER THEM ON THE BASIS THAT THEY WERE THEN AT THE DISPOSAL OF NATO, TO BE COLLECTIVELY CONTROLLED BY NATO; NOT ON MR. MACMILLANS BASIS AFTER NASSAU OF PUTTING THEM IN & GETTING A KIND OF CLOAKROOM TICKET UNDER WHICH HE COULD WITHDRAW THEM WHENEVER HE THOUGHT THAT WAS RIGHT FOR SOME NATIONAL WAR IN WHICH WE MIGHT BE ENGAGED. I CAN'T MYSELF FORESEE THE KIND OF WAR IN WHICH HE MIGHT WANT TO USE NUCLEAR POWER INDEPENDENTLY OF THE ALLIES."



    INTERVIEWER: "MR. SPEBECK."



    SPEBECK: "MR. WILSON, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A FIXED POLICY OF THE LABOUR PARTY TO ABANDON YOUR NUCLEAR DETERRENT - IN TIME CERTAINLY?"



    WILSON: "TO ABANDON YES, IT IS. TO ABANDON OUR SO-CALLED INDEPENDENT, SO-CALLED BRITISH WHICH IT ISN'T, AND SO-CALLED DETERRENT, WHICH IS VERY DOUBTFUL. OUR VIEW IS THAT IT ADDS NOTHING TO WESTERN STRENGTH. WHAT IT DOES DO IT TO USE UP SO MANY OF OUR RESOURCES IN REAL ACCOUNTS AND FINANCIAL TERMS THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO MAKE AN ADEQUATE CONTRIBUTION TO NATO GROUP FORCES IN CONVENTIONAL TERMS. IT WE WERE TO DROP THIS PRETENCE - AND IT IS A PRETENCE OF BEING AN INDEPENDENT NUCLEAR POWER - WE WOULD HAVE MORE RESOURCES IN ORDER TO STRENGTHEN BRITISH FORCES IN GERMANY, TO SEE THAT THEY WERE PROPERLY EQUIPPED, TO SEE THAT THEY WERE PROPERLY MOBILE AND COULD PLAY A FULL ROLE IN NATO. OTHERWISE WE THINK THE SITUATION IN EUROPE IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS IF OUR CONVENTIONAL FORCES ARE NOT ADEQUATE TO RESIST, SHALL WE SAY, A SOVIET PUSH."




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    Script is copyright Reuters Limited. All rights reserved

    Background: MR. WILSON WON GENEROUS APPLAUSE AND A STANDING OVATION FROM HUNDREDS OF AMERICAN AND FOREIGN CORRESPONDENTS ON 1 APRIL WHEN HE EXPLAINED HIS PARTY'S POLICIES AT A NATIONAL PRESS CLUB LUNCHEON.

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    Film ID:
    VLVA2ZQJBVPID0L4YN62J8JWWAYQE
    Media URN:
    VLVA2ZQJBVPID0L4YN62J8JWWAYQE
    Group:
    Reuters - Source to be Verified
    Archive:
    Reuters
    Issue Date:
    10/04/1963
    Sound:
    Unknown
    HD Format:
    Available on request
    Stock:
    Black & White
    Duration:
    00:05:11:00
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